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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.almostscientific.com/blog/2008/07/22/steampunk-in-design-observer/comment-page-1/#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the entire article and it seems to me that he read a few main stream articles and decided to try and get a rise out of people.  I don&#039;t call myself a steampunker but I do enjoy reading about other people&#039;s ideas and seeing what they have created.

Yes some of the crafts people are not very good right now, but they are learning and I have no doubt that they will get better with time.

I took time to join Brass Goggles to find out what this was all about.  I have been a member for just over a year now and athough I prefer my southwest decor I certainly can find enjoyment in other&#039;s creativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the entire article and it seems to me that he read a few main stream articles and decided to try and get a rise out of people.  I don&#8217;t call myself a steampunker but I do enjoy reading about other people&#8217;s ideas and seeing what they have created.</p>
<p>Yes some of the crafts people are not very good right now, but they are learning and I have no doubt that they will get better with time.</p>
<p>I took time to join Brass Goggles to find out what this was all about.  I have been a member for just over a year now and athough I prefer my southwest decor I certainly can find enjoyment in other&#8217;s creativity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.almostscientific.com/blog/2008/07/22/steampunk-in-design-observer/comment-page-1/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note... or two... 

Steampunk is pretty cool, there are things that are working.. I caught an article about a functioning R2D2 the other day. I may even dabble in it. I have seen this type of thing many times, from HH Geiger to Wild Wild West. It is exemplar of where tech might have went, and may still go. Even stuff seen in Mad Max. THe PCB comment was just ignorant, I have been in the electronics game for 30+ years, good luck deciphering anything beyond a simple circuit board... you better have the schematics for it, and lots of time... Most circuit boards today you can&#039;t even trace... at all, they are multisurface and multilayer with myriad connections that simply cannot be seen... 

This new niche, is intriguing, and seems like it could be lots of fun... do not let the ignorant or unimaginitive dismay you, after all, you are re-inventing technology for fun... even Mr. Whitney had detractors... he revolutionized an industry... LOL

Later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note&#8230; or two&#8230; </p>
<p>Steampunk is pretty cool, there are things that are working.. I caught an article about a functioning R2D2 the other day. I may even dabble in it. I have seen this type of thing many times, from HH Geiger to Wild Wild West. It is exemplar of where tech might have went, and may still go. Even stuff seen in Mad Max. THe PCB comment was just ignorant, I have been in the electronics game for 30+ years, good luck deciphering anything beyond a simple circuit board&#8230; you better have the schematics for it, and lots of time&#8230; Most circuit boards today you can&#8217;t even trace&#8230; at all, they are multisurface and multilayer with myriad connections that simply cannot be seen&#8230; </p>
<p>This new niche, is intriguing, and seems like it could be lots of fun&#8230; do not let the ignorant or unimaginitive dismay you, after all, you are re-inventing technology for fun&#8230; even Mr. Whitney had detractors&#8230; he revolutionized an industry&#8230; LOL</p>
<p>Later</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.almostscientific.com/blog/2008/07/22/steampunk-in-design-observer/comment-page-1/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starhawk: The circuit board comment in the article really got under my skin.  Partly because it showed a poor understanding of how electronics work but more so because it&#039;s the exact abstractness of modern electronics that I think makes Steampunk so appealing to people.

I&#039;m glad my blog has inspired you.  That&#039;s why I post so much about the process of designing and fabricating things.

Most importantly: the objects we create are the defining element of an artistic movement -- not the  words the critics used to try and understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starhawk: The circuit board comment in the article really got under my skin.  Partly because it showed a poor understanding of how electronics work but more so because it&#8217;s the exact abstractness of modern electronics that I think makes Steampunk so appealing to people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad my blog has inspired you.  That&#8217;s why I post so much about the process of designing and fabricating things.</p>
<p>Most importantly: the objects we create are the defining element of an artistic movement &#8212; not the  words the critics used to try and understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: starhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>starhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly DISagree with this &quot;Design Observer&quot; blog. I don&#039;t have much in the way of anything steampunk yet -- I have only recently discovered it (I found out about a year or so ago), and I lack most of the skills and funds to participate as thoroughly as I&#039;d like. That said, I do have ideas, and I do have what I&#039;ve seen and read on sites such as yours, and they do not match AT ALL with the claims of the &quot;Design Observer&quot; blog.

Steampunk, from what I understand, is more about an imaginary timeline than a real past -- it&#039;s a world of &quot;what if&quot; supposing that the Industrial Age went a bit further, and that all manner of things modern were created in a completely different form that is Victorian more than IBM and Apple.

Further, being somewhat the computer nerd, I can guarantee you that it&#039;s a heck of a lot easier to decipher a steam engine&#039;s functions by its parts than it is to do the same for a computer PCB. Figuring out what a computer does (even a simple one) based on its parts, involves lots of looking up of chip numbers, a steady hand with the logic analyzer, and the deciphering of probably several hundred million lines of multiple dialects of binary machine language.

Perhaps those at &quot;Design Observer&quot; should observe more and jump to conclusions less...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly DISagree with this &#8220;Design Observer&#8221; blog. I don&#8217;t have much in the way of anything steampunk yet &#8212; I have only recently discovered it (I found out about a year or so ago), and I lack most of the skills and funds to participate as thoroughly as I&#8217;d like. That said, I do have ideas, and I do have what I&#8217;ve seen and read on sites such as yours, and they do not match AT ALL with the claims of the &#8220;Design Observer&#8221; blog.</p>
<p>Steampunk, from what I understand, is more about an imaginary timeline than a real past &#8212; it&#8217;s a world of &#8220;what if&#8221; supposing that the Industrial Age went a bit further, and that all manner of things modern were created in a completely different form that is Victorian more than IBM and Apple.</p>
<p>Further, being somewhat the computer nerd, I can guarantee you that it&#8217;s a heck of a lot easier to decipher a steam engine&#8217;s functions by its parts than it is to do the same for a computer PCB. Figuring out what a computer does (even a simple one) based on its parts, involves lots of looking up of chip numbers, a steady hand with the logic analyzer, and the deciphering of probably several hundred million lines of multiple dialects of binary machine language.</p>
<p>Perhaps those at &#8220;Design Observer&#8221; should observe more and jump to conclusions less&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Klaatu Nicto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaatu Nicto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t read your response before I posted on DO, and it is spot on.  I tried hard to read past the snippy tone, but found Mr. Nakamura&#039;s critique rather baseless. As I often tell my younger engineers: it&#039;s easy to throw rocks, and much harder to make glass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t read your response before I posted on DO, and it is spot on.  I tried hard to read past the snippy tone, but found Mr. Nakamura&#8217;s critique rather baseless. As I often tell my younger engineers: it&#8217;s easy to throw rocks, and much harder to make glass.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Stearns.

While it&#039;s true that any chimp can make a negative comment on the internet I was really surprised to find such a snippy post on Design Observer.

And we&#039;ll see if Steampunk evolves into anything as lasting as early American Craft or cubism. 

I think for it to do so it has to move beyond the treatment of the surface towards building fully functional objects.  This is something I know I and my friends and KSW and the Steampunk Treehouse aspire to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Stearns.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that any chimp can make a negative comment on the internet I was really surprised to find such a snippy post on Design Observer.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll see if Steampunk evolves into anything as lasting as early American Craft or cubism. </p>
<p>I think for it to do so it has to move beyond the treatment of the surface towards building fully functional objects.  This is something I know I and my friends and KSW and the Steampunk Treehouse aspire to do.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Stearns</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Stearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of &quot;Steampunk&quot; is a niche, not unlike the early American craftsmen period or those crazy guys Degas and Picaso pasting clippings to canvas or deconstructing form. To be so dismissive so quickly is like having a self proclaimed photographer that has a cheap instacam discuss the subtleties of the early impressionist paintings. Honestly, any chimp with access to a computer can make a negative comment about something in wich they are disinterested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of &#8220;Steampunk&#8221; is a niche, not unlike the early American craftsmen period or those crazy guys Degas and Picaso pasting clippings to canvas or deconstructing form. To be so dismissive so quickly is like having a self proclaimed photographer that has a cheap instacam discuss the subtleties of the early impressionist paintings. Honestly, any chimp with access to a computer can make a negative comment about something in wich they are disinterested.</p>
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